For $800 I would hope for something more innovative, like doing this with IPS, but I guess it's a bit much to expect them to R&D the circuitry that can drive it. FYI they've found overclocked IPS panels that DON'T frame skip, but they do suffer losses in color details due to a lack of bandwidth. This can be fixed, but nobody seems to think there's a demand for a perfect monitor.
Everybody wants a 120hz/144hz on an IPS. But IPS tech itself is too much of a bottleneck for refresh rate. Indeed, there are those Korean IPS panels that could be overclocked to a higher refresh rate(usually around 90hz-110hz), but again, it is overclocked so there are plenty of risks and potential issues, otherwise those manufactures would just do that refresh rate by factory default.
I think every major manufacturers out there are well aware of the demand of a 120hz/144hz IPS. But the only question is: Do the demand outweigh the risk of investment into something like that? With 4k coming into the mainstream, it seems more people are demanding a higher pixel density rather than a higher refresh rate on one particular type of panel, IPS, that is so hard to do.
Btw, the ROG PG278Q is a 27'' 8-bit TN panel G-Sync runs natively at 2560x1440 @ 144hz. Lets look at the competitors' spec: Mostly 1080P, Mostly 24'', Mostly 6-bit TN, None has G-Sync, a few 144hz.
The korean displays overclock to 120Hz drop frames, I was able to push it to 120Hz because the controller had no problem with it, but it dropped frames because the panel couldn't keep up with it. IPS is just not fast enough.. The highest I could get it to run without this issue was 87Hz and I'm ok with it, Although I'm keeping an eye on that ROG swift, I don't think I would buy it for $800 but if it goes on sale or something I would pick it out (assuming it has a VESA mount)...
Just because there are some cheap overclocked koreans that don't reject the frames entirely, that does NOT make them equivalent to 120hz TN monitors. The reason no one builds legitimate 120hz monitors with those panels is not that it's hard to do the circuitry, it's that they simply are not capable of refreshing their pixels fast enough to display it right. You still end up with around 50% more motion blur than a 120hz TN.
It's still better than 60hz, of course, but as of right now if you want to build a 120hz monitor you cannot use an IPS panel, none exist with fast enough pixel response time. Asus commissioned this panel specifically for this monitor... if they could have just used already available IPS panels it wouldn't be $800, and it also wouldn't be any good :)
I'm probably gonna buy this monitor, but why the need for g sync if the refesh rate goes up to 144hz, i have a samsuhg 27 120hz monitor and there is no screen tearing in it whatsoever, so it seems pointless to include this technology with such a fast refresh rate
Yes there is still screen tearing on your monitor. Just because you dont notice does not mean it does not happen. Gsync is very much needed for those of us that actually notice tearing and want to use vsync without its side effects.
Since you are going to buy the monitor it might be good to learn about why G-sync is opposite of "pointless". At least watch the product demo video on the nvidia page.
Any word on 3D Vision support with this panel? I've been very happy with my Asus VG278H (going on over 2 years now), I'll be looking to get one of these if it's 3D Vision compatible.
Yes, it supports 3D Vision. According to JJ at ASUS, it will be the first monitor capable of running 3D Vision at 1440p (normally it's only supported at 1080p).
You say that G-Sync "does have its competitors" - where, exactly, are those competitors?
I hope you don't mean FreeSync/A-Sync. Because that doesn't exist, has never been demonstrated, has no hardware partnerships announced, has no product commitments let alone product announcements.
So, what, exactly, is G-Sync's competitor? Because right now, the only one I can think of is a Word document.
FreeSync is an optional spec in DisplayPort and many vendors will chose to include the feature in future monitors as early as Q4 this year. It's flat out illogical to think vendors won't include it because it's an additional checkbox for marketing departments to check off.
Lets see what you get for your extra money. You get 144 hz 1440p. You get G-Sync. You get USB ports... I'd say thats worth the up in price. Stop complaining.
All g-sync monitors are displayport only atm. G-sync itself requires displayport. you don't HAVE to have g-sync on, you can still use only vsync on, or off, or nvidia adaptive sync too. But yes, only one connection option. It is frustrating for those that own other equipment they would like to swap to with the same screen sometimes :/
For you bashers of TN monitor's. Read up on Nvidia GSync ...witness in person if you can't make a trade show or store when they hit them on how amazing that is on a monitor. Its one of the biggest breakthroughs to come to the monitor world in quite a while.
No G-Sync in 3D mode. If you buy this product be aware you will not be able to game in 3D with the G-Sync benefits (i.e., stutter/tearing elimination). The 3D Vision glasses are designed to interpret a constant frame rate, and will not work with the variable frame rates G-Sync produces. If you enter 3D Vision, G-Sync will be disabled. Please NVIDIA make a 3D vision update so I can consider buying this monitor!
And no one cares.. Okay maybe not no one, but repeating the same statement 5 times in one paragraph does not make a proper paragraph, nor does it make people care more.
We all dream of a time where we get 144Hz IPS. But reality rears its ugly head once again!
But I'm still totally getting this monitor. If you don't mind staying on nVidia for as long as you use the monitor then getting it makes a lot of sense.
This is a flawed monitor due to the combination of 27", TN and 1440P. Due the screen resolution you will be forced to sit fairly close to the monitor (3 feet or less) which won't let you escape the vertical viewing angle issue that all TN panels suffer from. Therefore if you don't mind the top or bottom 5th of the screen looking like an ugly colour inverted mess then go ahead and spend $800 dollars.
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Sttm - Monday, June 2, 2014 - link
I worry the picture quality would look terrible next to my Dell. It has to be TN right?GameLifter - Monday, June 2, 2014 - link
Yep, it's TN.rms141 - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
It's an 8-bit TN panel. Should have better colors than the typical 6-bit TN panel, though it still won't exactly be IPS level.GameLifter - Monday, June 2, 2014 - link
I'm excited for this monitor! I have a Dell Ultrasharp and while it's picture quality is stunning, the motion blur kills me some time.TheMan876 - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
Been waiting for this thing since CES. Now I just need to get an nVidia card... >_<The Von Matrices - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
If NVidia gets G-Sync working with Surround monitors, then ASUS will have my business. I would definitely like to upgrade from 1920x1080@60Hz.landerf - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
For $800 I would hope for something more innovative, like doing this with IPS, but I guess it's a bit much to expect them to R&D the circuitry that can drive it. FYI they've found overclocked IPS panels that DON'T frame skip, but they do suffer losses in color details due to a lack of bandwidth. This can be fixed, but nobody seems to think there's a demand for a perfect monitor.zmhaha - Wednesday, June 4, 2014 - link
Everybody wants a 120hz/144hz on an IPS. But IPS tech itself is too much of a bottleneck for refresh rate. Indeed, there are those Korean IPS panels that could be overclocked to a higher refresh rate(usually around 90hz-110hz), but again, it is overclocked so there are plenty of risks and potential issues, otherwise those manufactures would just do that refresh rate by factory default.I think every major manufacturers out there are well aware of the demand of a 120hz/144hz IPS. But the only question is: Do the demand outweigh the risk of investment into something like that?
With 4k coming into the mainstream, it seems more people are demanding a higher pixel density rather than a higher refresh rate on one particular type of panel, IPS, that is so hard to do.
zmhaha - Wednesday, June 4, 2014 - link
Btw, the ROG PG278Q is a 27'' 8-bit TN panel G-Sync runs natively at 2560x1440 @ 144hz.Lets look at the competitors' spec:
Mostly 1080P, Mostly 24'', Mostly 6-bit TN, None has G-Sync, a few 144hz.
DIYEyal - Monday, June 16, 2014 - link
The korean displays overclock to 120Hz drop frames, I was able to push it to 120Hz because the controller had no problem with it, but it dropped frames because the panel couldn't keep up with it. IPS is just not fast enough.. The highest I could get it to run without this issue was 87Hz and I'm ok with it, Although I'm keeping an eye on that ROG swift, I don't think I would buy it for $800 but if it goes on sale or something I would pick it out (assuming it has a VESA mount)...Sancus - Thursday, June 5, 2014 - link
Just because there are some cheap overclocked koreans that don't reject the frames entirely, that does NOT make them equivalent to 120hz TN monitors. The reason no one builds legitimate 120hz monitors with those panels is not that it's hard to do the circuitry, it's that they simply are not capable of refreshing their pixels fast enough to display it right. You still end up with around 50% more motion blur than a 120hz TN.It's still better than 60hz, of course, but as of right now if you want to build a 120hz monitor you cannot use an IPS panel, none exist with fast enough pixel response time. Asus commissioned this panel specifically for this monitor... if they could have just used already available IPS panels it wouldn't be $800, and it also wouldn't be any good :)
Rm-Plx - Sunday, June 8, 2014 - link
I'm probably gonna buy this monitor, but why the need for g sync if the refesh rate goes up to 144hz, i have a samsuhg 27 120hz monitor and there is no screen tearing in it whatsoever, so it seems pointless to include this technology with such a fast refresh ratetoyota - Thursday, June 12, 2014 - link
Yes there is still screen tearing on your monitor. Just because you dont notice does not mean it does not happen. Gsync is very much needed for those of us that actually notice tearing and want to use vsync without its side effects.boombeef - Thursday, July 3, 2014 - link
Since you are going to buy the monitor it might be good to learn about why G-sync is opposite of "pointless". At least watch the product demo video on the nvidia page.http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/g-sync
sheh - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
5-way joystick... how about reintroducing the jog dial navigation used in the past on some Mag and AOC monitors? Quickest way to adjust things.chizow - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
Any word on 3D Vision support with this panel? I've been very happy with my Asus VG278H (going on over 2 years now), I'll be looking to get one of these if it's 3D Vision compatible.doggghouse - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
Yes, it supports 3D Vision. According to JJ at ASUS, it will be the first monitor capable of running 3D Vision at 1440p (normally it's only supported at 1080p).http://pcdiy.asus.com/2014/01/pg278q-rog-swift-gam...
Mand - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
You say that G-Sync "does have its competitors" - where, exactly, are those competitors?I hope you don't mean FreeSync/A-Sync. Because that doesn't exist, has never been demonstrated, has no hardware partnerships announced, has no product commitments let alone product announcements.
So, what, exactly, is G-Sync's competitor? Because right now, the only one I can think of is a Word document.
anandreader106 - Thursday, June 5, 2014 - link
Just stop.FreeSync is an optional spec in DisplayPort and many vendors will chose to include the feature in future monitors as early as Q4 this year. It's flat out illogical to think vendors won't include it because it's an additional checkbox for marketing departments to check off.
darkfalz - Thursday, June 5, 2014 - link
Anyone who thinks this will work the same without dedicated sync/framebuffer hardware in the monitor is kidding themselves.Christobevii3 - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
$490 monitor becomes $800 with gsync? Wouldn't most people be better off just upgrading their videocard more than $300 on this and running vsync?afa7336 - Wednesday, June 4, 2014 - link
Lets see what you get for your extra money. You get 144 hz 1440p. You get G-Sync. You get USB ports... I'd say thats worth the up in price. Stop complaining.Dug - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
Does anyone know if this works with 2 nvidia cards?afa7336 - Wednesday, June 4, 2014 - link
Yes, it will work with SLI'd cards.godrilla - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
Battle of TN panels acer 4k gsync monitor most likely at 60 hz vs Asus 1440p 144z glance monitor should be similarly priced.godrilla - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
Gsync*DarkChaser - Tuesday, June 3, 2014 - link
Has anyone noticed it said this monitor includes ONLY one DP port for video output?So, there is no legacy mode which can use vga and dvi on 144hz without gsync, then?
$800 and only has one display connection???
Yakumo.unr - Friday, June 27, 2014 - link
All g-sync monitors are displayport only atm. G-sync itself requires displayport.you don't HAVE to have g-sync on, you can still use only vsync on, or off, or nvidia adaptive sync too.
But yes, only one connection option.
It is frustrating for those that own other equipment they would like to swap to with the same screen sometimes :/
powerwiz - Wednesday, June 4, 2014 - link
For you bashers of TN monitor's. Read up on Nvidia GSync ...witness in person if you can't make a trade show or store when they hit them on how amazing that is on a monitor. Its one of the biggest breakthroughs to come to the monitor world in quite a while.k1tty_h4wk - Thursday, June 5, 2014 - link
No G-Sync in 3D mode. If you buy this product be aware you will not be able to game in 3D with the G-Sync benefits (i.e., stutter/tearing elimination). The 3D Vision glasses are designed to interpret a constant frame rate, and will not work with the variable frame rates G-Sync produces. If you enter 3D Vision, G-Sync will be disabled. Please NVIDIA make a 3D vision update so I can consider buying this monitor!SlyNine - Friday, June 20, 2014 - link
And no one cares.. Okay maybe not no one, but repeating the same statement 5 times in one paragraph does not make a proper paragraph, nor does it make people care more.darkfalz - Thursday, June 5, 2014 - link
Nit-picky maybe but will the LEDs be changable? Don't really dig the red lights... would prefer blue like most other PC equipment.Asmodian - Monday, June 16, 2014 - link
It doesn't actually have red LEDs. Those are misleading marketing photos. I don't like the red accents either but at least they don't glow.martixy - Wednesday, June 11, 2014 - link
We all dream of a time where we get 144Hz IPS.But reality rears its ugly head once again!
But I'm still totally getting this monitor. If you don't mind staying on nVidia for as long as you use the monitor then getting it makes a lot of sense.
SlyNine - Friday, June 20, 2014 - link
You can still use AMD cards with it... But Gsync wont function.wintermute000 - Saturday, July 19, 2014 - link
yep, so why spend the premium?kreido - Sunday, July 6, 2014 - link
This one will be not 500 euros ... its will cost in europe 1100 euros For Tn ...ok i will be willing spent 600-800 euros but over grand go fish..
Madpacket - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - link
This is a flawed monitor due to the combination of 27", TN and 1440P. Due the screen resolution you will be forced to sit fairly close to the monitor (3 feet or less) which won't let you escape the vertical viewing angle issue that all TN panels suffer from. Therefore if you don't mind the top or bottom 5th of the screen looking like an ugly colour inverted mess then go ahead and spend $800 dollars.